A rider has been killed by someone driving a Toyota Hilux, at the roundabout between Rawcliffe Lane, Green Lane and Eastholme Drive in Clifton. The crash was at about 10.25 on Saturday morning.
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Police are appealing for anyone who saw the crash, or either of the parties beforehand.
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Oh no, thats not very good news 
its a pity that there is still people who have no consideration for cyclists, even with the rising profile of cycling.
Its also bad to see that the councillor in the interview implies that the cyclist was to blame for not wearing a helmet, rather than actually blaming the motorist who caused the death!
its a pity that there is still people who have no consideration for cyclists, even with the rising profile of cycling.Its also bad to see that the councillor in the interview implies that the cyclist was to blame for not wearing a helmet, rather than actually blaming the motorist who caused the death!
On the basis of the article (ie I don't know if the circumstances have been clarified since then) it may not be that simple, Arthur. Cyclists have a responsibility to follow the rules of the road - we don't know yet where "blame" lies. The councillor's right too that wearing a helmet "can make a difference" - he said "can", not "does". A sad thing though, as is any road death.
Best not attribute blame at this stage but I do tend to agree with Arthur about the helmet - especially with the trend towards 'contributory negligence'. No doubt a trained legal mind is better placed than me to argue the pros and cons but had the victim been a pedestrian would their non-helmet use been referred to?
In London last year there was a 25% increase in mortal casualties amongst cyclists. In total around 35!!!!
We must not be starry-eyed, and accept that most UK cities are HUGELY ill-designed for cycling, particularly with large numbers of car drivers of the Clarkson pursuasion. And even more are cocooned in outer space-land with their on-board toys!!!
Brings me back to cycleways: for in-town the essential answer to the ongoing terror of mixing large numbers of cyclists with car/bus/truck-choked roads.
How many stolen laptops for a dead person?
And the next generation of commuting bikers does not hold much hope for sense on the roads, saw a pack of demented boy monkeys coming out of Albemarle Road after school out today, riding (racing) 4 or was it 5 abreast, though red on The Mount on their way to where? Hope not hospital!
Safe routes to school anyone?
We must not be starry-eyed, and accept that most UK cities are HUGELY ill-designed for cycling, particularly with large numbers of car drivers of the Clarkson pursuasion. And even more are cocooned in outer space-land with their on-board toys!!!
Brings me back to cycleways: for in-town the essential answer to the ongoing terror of mixing large numbers of cyclists with car/bus/truck-choked roads.
How many stolen laptops for a dead person?
And the next generation of commuting bikers does not hold much hope for sense on the roads, saw a pack of demented boy monkeys coming out of Albemarle Road after school out today, riding (racing) 4 or was it 5 abreast, though red on The Mount on their way to where? Hope not hospital!
Safe routes to school anyone?
But a greater than 25% increase in cycling in general. Plus normal variance will mean that an increase over one year may not be significant.willyh wrote:In London last year there was a 25% increase in mortal casualties amongst cyclists. In total around 35!!!!
Also you need to bear in mind the health benefits of an increased uptake in cycling - it's hard to quantify but significant. There is too much emphasis on a tiny (proportionally) number of mortalities. By increasing the 'fear factor' the risk is that people will be put off and hence be denied the health benefits. The likelihood of any individual being killed is tiny.
I'm a firm believer that the more that we separate cyclists from the roads, the more we lose the perception that we are entitled to be legitimate road users. This is a slippery slope with implications for all roads - not just busy urban ones. The continental model is the reverse of this and it works! The way forward IMO is for the roads to be seen as a shared resource for all with equal rights for motorists and cyclists. The more people cycle, the more this will happen.
Did Black South Africans happily accept second class segregated status? Neither should cyclists!
Hi All,
I'm normally the champion for the cyclist. However after driving in and out from Pocklington for the last couple of weeks I have a few observations. Lots of cyclist without lights or with lights that are not very bright. One cyclist with a really good back light but her coat covered covered it. Lots of them not looking or signalling before they move out.
Clothes so dark and unreflective that you can't believe it, so even when you lights hit them you get nothing back if it is raining. I think one of the big pushes for bikes should be letting people know how they should be lit up, with the same sort of penalties as a car if they are not. We seem to be a bit like car drivers, (most of us are both) where we feel it is a right to ride a bike, rather than a privelage where we have a duty of care to other road users.
Saying that there have been some very good lights out there, as in one bright front light, then a little flasher, which just allows you to see them coming up a bike lane.
I also think it nothing like 'black south africans' as the state support people riding bikes, maybe not as well as we would like, but the don't lock us up, or torture us, (Okay maybe Stacey does to me)
I'm normally the champion for the cyclist. However after driving in and out from Pocklington for the last couple of weeks I have a few observations. Lots of cyclist without lights or with lights that are not very bright. One cyclist with a really good back light but her coat covered covered it. Lots of them not looking or signalling before they move out.
Clothes so dark and unreflective that you can't believe it, so even when you lights hit them you get nothing back if it is raining. I think one of the big pushes for bikes should be letting people know how they should be lit up, with the same sort of penalties as a car if they are not. We seem to be a bit like car drivers, (most of us are both) where we feel it is a right to ride a bike, rather than a privelage where we have a duty of care to other road users.
Saying that there have been some very good lights out there, as in one bright front light, then a little flasher, which just allows you to see them coming up a bike lane.
I also think it nothing like 'black south africans' as the state support people riding bikes, maybe not as well as we would like, but the don't lock us up, or torture us, (Okay maybe Stacey does to me)
This guy was hit at half past 10 in the morning, so lights are irrelevant here.
I believe Dr Dave's point (with which I agree) is that if we go around building lots of cycle lanes everywhere, even more motorists will think that we shouldn't be on 'their' roads, so we really will be second class citizens.
I believe Dr Dave's point (with which I agree) is that if we go around building lots of cycle lanes everywhere, even more motorists will think that we shouldn't be on 'their' roads, so we really will be second class citizens.
This is a crazy notion: go cycling in Holland and experience being a second class citizen as a cyclist!!!
Last September I crossed the country again, left to right, up and down, 400 miles, 90% on cycle only paths and it was fantastic!
Loads of club riders too!
I believe cycling casualties are less than a third compared to here, nearly half of school children ride to school, lots 4-10 kms or more.
Am very happy to take a group of luddites over to achieve some miraculous conversions.
Last September I crossed the country again, left to right, up and down, 400 miles, 90% on cycle only paths and it was fantastic!
Loads of club riders too!
I believe cycling casualties are less than a third compared to here, nearly half of school children ride to school, lots 4-10 kms or more.
Am very happy to take a group of luddites over to achieve some miraculous conversions.
It's not a case of being "luddites" Willy, it's that there are other ways of ensuring we can cycle more safely without redesigning the entire public realm in our urban areas.
As has been pointed out, a number of other European nations manage coexistence between cyclists and other road users far better than we do, and it's not through highways design but by mutual tolerance and respect - something we can, and should, foster here. Holland has had a tradition of segregation for decades and it works well, and has a culture which supports it. We don't have that here, and as a nation we're skint. Every new bit of off-road cycle path gets "look at the money they're spending on cyclists" rants going in the press - and in some cases (I hate to say it) rightly so. Some of our recent attempts at providing separate routes for all have resulted in some of the most godawful bits of townscape too - do we want everywhere looking like James Street?
Personally I'd much rather see money spent on driver education - and law enforcement - to make the roads safer for cyclists. I mean big efforts - drink/drive type campaigning and more - to get people to realise more cyclists on the roads is a good thing as it means less traffic, and that they'd better get a bit more chummy towards them. Or even, who knows, join them?
(edit - this was posted at the same time as Rob's plea - will shut up now)
As has been pointed out, a number of other European nations manage coexistence between cyclists and other road users far better than we do, and it's not through highways design but by mutual tolerance and respect - something we can, and should, foster here. Holland has had a tradition of segregation for decades and it works well, and has a culture which supports it. We don't have that here, and as a nation we're skint. Every new bit of off-road cycle path gets "look at the money they're spending on cyclists" rants going in the press - and in some cases (I hate to say it) rightly so. Some of our recent attempts at providing separate routes for all have resulted in some of the most godawful bits of townscape too - do we want everywhere looking like James Street?
Personally I'd much rather see money spent on driver education - and law enforcement - to make the roads safer for cyclists. I mean big efforts - drink/drive type campaigning and more - to get people to realise more cyclists on the roads is a good thing as it means less traffic, and that they'd better get a bit more chummy towards them. Or even, who knows, join them?
(edit - this was posted at the same time as Rob's plea - will shut up now)