Tuesday Tli's
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A very frustrating night for me! 11 of us in the scratch group working well to catch the HUGE second group that contained loads of riders more than capable of riding the scratch group. When we caught them and it came to be my turn on the front noone would come thru, at all until i sat up! Useless! Then noone would work after 2 riders went away. Then to top it off i got totally boxed in by a wall of coffin dodgers in the sprint and had no choice but to freewheel the last 20metres! Ah well its only a TLI. I clocked 26mph avg.
Seems results are out: http://www.yorkshiretliseries.net/race-6-bishopwood.
[quote="nickb"]A very frustrating night for me! 11 of us in the scratch group working well to catch the HUGE second group that contained loads of riders more than capable of riding the scratch group. When we caught them and it came to be my turn on the front noone would come thru, at all until i sat up! Useless! Then noone would work after 2 riders went away. Then to top it off i got totally boxed in by a wall of coffin dodgers in the sprint and had no choice but to freewheel the last 20metres! Ah well its only a TLI. I clocked 26mph avg.[/quote]
Aah it takes me back.
I'll see you in the scratch group at the last race at Aldborough, Nick - its the only circuit with a decent finish.
Well done to everyone who's competed so far. I have the shield from last year. Glad we won't have to give it back. What happened to Fury Face and his chums?
Aah it takes me back.
I'll see you in the scratch group at the last race at Aldborough, Nick - its the only circuit with a decent finish.
Well done to everyone who's competed so far. I have the shield from last year. Glad we won't have to give it back. What happened to Fury Face and his chums?
"I'll see you in the scratch group at the last race at Aldborough, Nick - its the only circuit with a decent finish."
You might like to have a go at Milby the week after next - they've shifted the finish from that wiggly flat bit of road near the start to the back of the circuit at the top of that last long drag uphill - it's now your kind of finish!
Most of the Chevin crew went off in the first group this week, with a couple in the second group and none in the scratch - maybe if they *all* go off in the first group we might be in trouble
You might like to have a go at Milby the week after next - they've shifted the finish from that wiggly flat bit of road near the start to the back of the circuit at the top of that last long drag uphill - it's now your kind of finish!
Most of the Chevin crew went off in the first group this week, with a couple in the second group and none in the scratch - maybe if they *all* go off in the first group we might be in trouble
"Thinking of doing the Boroughbridge one in 2 weeks but bit far, deffo could not ride there might have to get my dad to take me"
Okay Will, advice:- (prefixed with usual disclaimer that I'm not a coach and not the club's fastest racer, by a long way)..
In terms of overall speed and endurance, you'd be fine in the TLI's. There are people riding in the TLI's who'd be slower than you in a TT. However, I know of at least two VERY good timetriallists in this club who got dropped in their first road races. It's not just about being able to keep up a steady, high, speed.
What you may find hard (and Tom's post spells out how this catches most newcomers by surprise) are (1) fast, close, group riding, and (2) the sudden changes in pace.
For (1), get out on the chaingang. There's ours on Tuesday, and the Cycleworks one on Thursday (ask around for details, there are people in the club who do both). Find out where they go, print out and take with you a map in case you get dropped as chaingangs DO NOT wait. They are often harder work than races so any amount of time you can stick with them is time well spent, training-wise. Use weekend rides to practice fast, close riding - tell people what you're after and set up opportunities to practice.
For (2), this is my advice (others will have their own fave routines and I'm sure they'll post suggestions). Find a loop of very quiet roads near you. Warm up for fifteen minutes and then, on a safe, straight stretch of road, do an absolute full-blast sprint. You want about 30secs, so count under your breath to fifty or so. You should feel like you're about to throw up just afterwards. It should be horrible. Ride at recovery pace for five minutes, then repeat. Do about six or seven, and try to push each one harder than the last. By the last one you should be losing power in your legs. Ride gently home. This is good practice for sprinting out of corners or responding to attacks in a race - the times at which you're most at risk of getting dropped on a circuit like Milby.
Okay, linked to the above, two related bits of advice:-
-Tape over your bike computer display! Yes! Really! By all means leave it running so you can check ave/max etc afterwards, but you DO NOT want to be looking at it in either of the above scenarios. Speed is meaningless. It's about effort, and learning to understand your body and how it works; where its limits are. TAPE IT OVER!
-Recover properly afterwards. Hard training like this is designed to damage your body so that it repairs, but repairs so it's stronger than before. But if you don't allow recovery it won't get the chance. So leave a rest day for the day after this sort of malarky, or just a VERY gentle ride.
About getting up to Boroughbridge - there will be a number of people driving up - you can probably get a lift from York if you ask on here. On the other hand, getting your dad along to show him that you're involved in some serious full-on sport may be a good thing in itself!
Okay Will, advice:- (prefixed with usual disclaimer that I'm not a coach and not the club's fastest racer, by a long way)..
In terms of overall speed and endurance, you'd be fine in the TLI's. There are people riding in the TLI's who'd be slower than you in a TT. However, I know of at least two VERY good timetriallists in this club who got dropped in their first road races. It's not just about being able to keep up a steady, high, speed.
What you may find hard (and Tom's post spells out how this catches most newcomers by surprise) are (1) fast, close, group riding, and (2) the sudden changes in pace.
For (1), get out on the chaingang. There's ours on Tuesday, and the Cycleworks one on Thursday (ask around for details, there are people in the club who do both). Find out where they go, print out and take with you a map in case you get dropped as chaingangs DO NOT wait. They are often harder work than races so any amount of time you can stick with them is time well spent, training-wise. Use weekend rides to practice fast, close riding - tell people what you're after and set up opportunities to practice.
For (2), this is my advice (others will have their own fave routines and I'm sure they'll post suggestions). Find a loop of very quiet roads near you. Warm up for fifteen minutes and then, on a safe, straight stretch of road, do an absolute full-blast sprint. You want about 30secs, so count under your breath to fifty or so. You should feel like you're about to throw up just afterwards. It should be horrible. Ride at recovery pace for five minutes, then repeat. Do about six or seven, and try to push each one harder than the last. By the last one you should be losing power in your legs. Ride gently home. This is good practice for sprinting out of corners or responding to attacks in a race - the times at which you're most at risk of getting dropped on a circuit like Milby.
Okay, linked to the above, two related bits of advice:-
-Tape over your bike computer display! Yes! Really! By all means leave it running so you can check ave/max etc afterwards, but you DO NOT want to be looking at it in either of the above scenarios. Speed is meaningless. It's about effort, and learning to understand your body and how it works; where its limits are. TAPE IT OVER!
-Recover properly afterwards. Hard training like this is designed to damage your body so that it repairs, but repairs so it's stronger than before. But if you don't allow recovery it won't get the chance. So leave a rest day for the day after this sort of malarky, or just a VERY gentle ride.
About getting up to Boroughbridge - there will be a number of people driving up - you can probably get a lift from York if you ask on here. On the other hand, getting your dad along to show him that you're involved in some serious full-on sport may be a good thing in itself!
"Seems results are out: http://www.yorkshiretliseries.net/race-6-bishopwood.
...and photos now, via the link to Derek Boocock. Curiously, all of the groups seem to be being towed round by Clifton riders - particularly impressive are Dave C and Arnie up front of the first group! As for Fury Face....
...and photos now, via the link to Derek Boocock. Curiously, all of the groups seem to be being towed round by Clifton riders - particularly impressive are Dave C and Arnie up front of the first group! As for Fury Face....
Heartily agree with that, and the rest of Phil's post. Oddly enough was planning to go out for a few 30s sprints myself in the 'off week' before the Milby race. Once you're in the thick of it speed won't bother you.PhilBixby wrote: "Tape over your bike computer display! Yes! Really! By all means leave it running so you can check ave/max etc afterwards, but you DO NOT want to be looking at it in either of the above scenarios. Speed is meaningless. It's about effort, and learning to understand your body and how it works; where its limits are. TAPE IT OVER!"
Also I would suggest: on your next ride, accelerate hard+early out of all the corners, just for a few seconds. That would come in handy too.