Absolutely - if individual members each had to spend £200 on a single tool that's an awful lot of money. I'm sure there are club members with enough engineering/mechanical knowledge to be able to procure a 'mid-price' tool that will do the job.Andy - surely thats an argument for the club getting one?
Suggestion for use of 'surplus' club funds
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Gang,
Getting back for a minute to Steve's request for a worked up proposal(s), could I suggest that, as original owner of idea, Dr Dave would be an excellent candidate for the job of justifying a "Clifton Tool Box".
Cath's point about space for this is worth noting, but I don't think we're talking about anything overly big at this stage. Just needs someone central to volunteer to be quartermaster and maybe one of our techies could set up a booking page on the website?
R
Getting back for a minute to Steve's request for a worked up proposal(s), could I suggest that, as original owner of idea, Dr Dave would be an excellent candidate for the job of justifying a "Clifton Tool Box".
Cath's point about space for this is worth noting, but I don't think we're talking about anything overly big at this stage. Just needs someone central to volunteer to be quartermaster and maybe one of our techies could set up a booking page on the website?
R
I thought your point was that a cheap one was no good, so an expensive one would have to be brought. Which sounded good.
Reading your post again, I think there's confusion. I read "needs frequent calibration" as applying to cheap torque wrenches (subject of first half of sentence). Are you saying that even the expensive ones need frequent calibration?
Reading your post again, I think there's confusion. I read "needs frequent calibration" as applying to cheap torque wrenches (subject of first half of sentence). Are you saying that even the expensive ones need frequent calibration?
The same way as any type of mechanic does-give it to a calibration specialist! This is of course more expense!
I've had the same experiance as Andy-cheap torque wrenches are cheap for a reason. Is a torque wrench really necessary on a bike though? I know carbon bars and forks are fairly fragile but just a little common sense and feel when tightening bolts is all you need. Torque settings are normally printed so the manufacturer can cover their asses. IMO money would be better spent on stuff like wheel truing jigs and learning how to repair wheels.
I've had the same experiance as Andy-cheap torque wrenches are cheap for a reason. Is a torque wrench really necessary on a bike though? I know carbon bars and forks are fairly fragile but just a little common sense and feel when tightening bolts is all you need. Torque settings are normally printed so the manufacturer can cover their asses. IMO money would be better spent on stuff like wheel truing jigs and learning how to repair wheels.
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John Banks
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- Location: SE of York
Tools and books
How about spending some of the money setting up a virtual tool box and library data base? Members could post what they have and would be prepared to lend with obvious gaps being filled with club tools or literature. Club stuff could be held by the club garagiste / librarian.
I am sure this is full of just as many pitfalls but perhaps a possibility.
I am sure this is full of just as many pitfalls but perhaps a possibility.
I think that this thread is proving an excellent way of getting different ideas and thus honing the idea. If enough members are happy to advertise their persoanl tools for general loan then this would go a long way to minimising the costs.Rob wrote:Gang,
Getting back for a minute to Steve's request for a worked up proposal(s), could I suggest that, as original owner of idea, Dr Dave would be an excellent candidate for the job of justifying a "Clifton Tool Box".
Cath's point about space for this is worth noting, but I don't think we're talking about anything overly big at this stage. Just needs someone central to volunteer to be quartermaster and maybe one of our techies could set up a booking page on the website?
R
I'm not a mechanic/engineer by profession so my level of expertise is probably less than others so I am happy to defer to their opinions in matters of engineering eg calibration issues c torque wrenches.
My only thoughts are that it is easy to let inertia and minor differences scupper these things - just because member A is happy to tighten carbon components by feel doesn't mean that member B (C,D....) wouldn't rather have the use of a torque wrench (newly calibrated or otherwise). Equally not everyone has a cassette removal tool, chain-whip(s), bottom bracket tool, copy of 'Zin' etc at home for when the need arises.
OK, maybe this is one for everyone to reflect on before the agm in Jan.
As discussed at the ogm in Sept, the club is doing well and will again this year make a healthy "profit". At the moment this is not being spent and is sat in a bank account. Healthy interest rates are not available for organisations like us (apart from in Iceland of course) so the money is effectively depreciating at 5% a year.
You may think the above is fine - make hay while the sun shines.
Or you may think the money should be made to work for us the members.
Subsidising the presentation dinner was suggested - but this was overruled as the meeting thought it better to target funds at actually cycling and that reducing the ticket price wouldn't encourage more to come.
Purchasing various items of kit/tools have been suggested, but nobody wants to take it on (the committee themselves being pretty maxed out).
Coaching has been suggested. But again, nobody wants to take it on.
Better prize money for events has been suggested - but this is likely to go to riders from outside the club, apparently....
So, what does everyone really want? Don't get me wrong, this isn't a moan - its a great problem to have!!
Edit - of course something behind the scenes may be going on since the ogm.....?
As discussed at the ogm in Sept, the club is doing well and will again this year make a healthy "profit". At the moment this is not being spent and is sat in a bank account. Healthy interest rates are not available for organisations like us (apart from in Iceland of course) so the money is effectively depreciating at 5% a year.
You may think the above is fine - make hay while the sun shines.
Or you may think the money should be made to work for us the members.
Subsidising the presentation dinner was suggested - but this was overruled as the meeting thought it better to target funds at actually cycling and that reducing the ticket price wouldn't encourage more to come.
Purchasing various items of kit/tools have been suggested, but nobody wants to take it on (the committee themselves being pretty maxed out).
Coaching has been suggested. But again, nobody wants to take it on.
Better prize money for events has been suggested - but this is likely to go to riders from outside the club, apparently....
So, what does everyone really want? Don't get me wrong, this isn't a moan - its a great problem to have!!
Edit - of course something behind the scenes may be going on since the ogm.....?
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MichaelCarter
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- Joined: Fri May 18, 2007 12:16 pm
Thinking outside the box here...
Did you see Will's post with the following link?
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/1238716
I didn't realise you could post Garmin routes online (despite having one!). Is it easy Will?
Where am I going with this? I found Will's map useful and will probably try the route knowing it's obviously been tried and tested by those in the know. If there were a few on there it would be a really good resource for all site users. Hows about giving regular saturday / sunday ride leaders a Garmin so long as they publish their routes like Will has?
Michael
Did you see Will's post with the following link?
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/1238716
I didn't realise you could post Garmin routes online (despite having one!). Is it easy Will?
Where am I going with this? I found Will's map useful and will probably try the route knowing it's obviously been tried and tested by those in the know. If there were a few on there it would be a really good resource for all site users. Hows about giving regular saturday / sunday ride leaders a Garmin so long as they publish their routes like Will has?
Michael