Titanium Frame Update

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Rob
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Titanium Frame Update

Post by Rob »

Thanks to some of the advice received on here, fingers crossed, have my Ti bike back on the road.

My chainstay on my Airborne Valkyrie cracked towards the front end across the recessed bit (chainring clearance).

Enigma quoted me £300 for a repair, adding that I might as well buy a new one.... their equivalent "Etap" is a cool £1200, frame only. Looks nice, but then it should for that much money!

All other Ti frame "manufacturers" in the UK import from afar and couldn't help.

Vernon Barker down in Dronfield has come out of retirement to work 2 days a week. He used to make Pete Dunn and M&B Dronfield frames. For £50 he welded the crack up for me. To be honest the job looks "a bit blobby", but its behind the chainrings so you can't see it. It does look strong though! So, we'll see how it goes!

So the Story with Van Nicholas, so you can make your own minds up:
I bought the frame, new, in 2005 with a "lifetime warranty". A year or so later Airborne became Van Nicholas. My understanding is that VN were a newly registered company, run by the same people, on the same site, sourcing the frames from the same factory in China, in the same geometries, made from the same grade Ti, but with different transfers. They refuse now to honour the Airborne warranty, but offered me 10% off a new frame. Cyclescense where I got the frame from originally offered to do the rebuild for free.

Compare this to say:

Trek, who have given Howard umteen new frames, under their lifetime guarantee, for free after they've not lasted long.
Ribble, who gave me the choice of any frame on their range for half price after my Al frame corroded into a hole after 6 years (it had a 1 year guarantee).
Dawes, who rebuilt our tandem around a new frame for free when we snapped it back in the 90s. They didn't ask for a receipt or anything, we didn't even buy it originally from that shop, but they had us back on the road in 3 days.

Would probably be naive to be overly upset or surprised by VN.... But all worked out OK as it would have been a shame to chuck my Valkyrie in the bin. Carbon footprint and all that.

Anyway, Ti bike back on show in The Square tomorrow at 0900.... 8)
Tullio
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Post by Tullio »

That's a lot of frames for 1 person to be getting through. :shock:

However, you're a high mileage cyclist so frame cost per mile is still probably still well within the norm.

How did the crack appear originally? Stress? Crash? I was hoping my Ti frames would outlive me.
PhilBixby
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Post by PhilBixby »

As part of the "compare with" roll of honour and dishonour....

When I pensioned off my old Cervelo Soloist I discovered a crack in the seat tube near the clamp - not catastrophic, but shouldn't happen. I read on the owners forum that Cervelo were treating the (common) issue as a warranty replacement. Madison (UK distributors) refused to pass it on as a warranty case. Sigma Sport (who sold me the frame some three years previously) gave me a set of wheels to the same value as the secondhand frame.
Rob
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Post by Rob »

Tullio, I've done about 30,000miles on the frame I reckon. I've been telling everyone its my raw power that has torn the tubes apart... but they just look at me blankly. To be honest though, the crack looks like it started near the weld between the chainstay and the bridge, so I reckon it was a manufacturing fault that took some time to start to propagate. To answer Skymoos' question on another thread - TonyG's frame is from a different price bracket to mine and we can say that its manufacture involved some quality control!

It was lovely to be back riding my Ti again today. Not sure why it feels so nice. Am not into the guff you read in the mags when they road-test a frame - "vertical compliance" my bottom. Have done enough miles to realise that the feel of a bike is due to a load of factors, in descending order: tyres, wheels, forks, frame. In fact bar tape and brake levers may come above frame! I reckon its just a spot on fit. Though whether it fits me, or whether, after the miles, I have grown to fit it - is anyone's guess. We're like an old married couple! But don't tell Claire :wink:
tomf
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Post by tomf »

Good to hear it's back on the road + hats off to Vernon Barker for stepping up... less said about VN the better!
As you say, I think most bottoms have far more "vertical compliance" built in than a decent frame ever will.
tom
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