"I'm just not getting it across am I? One last try - control the controllable!"
If that's not broadly the same as "The fun of training and racing is getting as close to that as possible, by whatever means we choose" then I'm still missing it!
TLI write up
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BroomWagon
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OK here we go again. Just read the TLI write up of this....seems mine didn't bear a lot of resemblance to what actually went on. I was right about Dave Cooke though, well done for getting a mention.
Leadshoes - I hadn't felt I was nullifying the race. Don't be too negative, you weren't there to see what went on and I felt I did my best. I judged the chap in question was full of enthusiasm (good man) but not much else. I think that was a good judgement because once the prime had gone he disappeared, think he got dropped (or perhaps packed in disgust). There is some validity in your criticism, however, if I felt he had no chance, why did I get on his wheel, suppose I was hedging my bets, if he could get a gap and having got that gap been able to work I suppose I'd have worked with him. Don't suppose I analysed things very carefully during the heat of the race and I'd set off with a notion that if the 1st group could stay together and work together we might stay away from the rest and I just could have a chance of getting some sort of placing. Up until reading your post, I'd have said that worked because although we got caught by another group I found myself reaching the final turn, feeling comfortable and well placed to contest the sprint. Having got there though I found my tactic totally wrong because I found out I don't have a sprint. I think after your posting if I race next year (not sure I'll be doing any cycling at all yet), if I'm able I shall go with and work with any attack no matter whether I think it's got any chance of doing anything or not. Who knows one might work, or I might blow up, so what, at least I'll have tried. Surely if I do this, no matter what, I'll come back to the next race stronger and so on.
Now the next bit, sorry Paul you're being talked about again. Hands up all of you that would say Muzzy has no ability.....don't see any hands there. Oh no it's the Paul Musgrave fan club again:- Paul has ability, considerably more than most of us, whether that's natural, gained through effective training or is through sheer bloody mindedness (I suspect a combination of all three) is irrelevant. The point I was making is that I can see how TLIs can be not the ideal thing for someone with Paul's ability. But for those of us more like me, no natural ability, ineffective training and with a weak mind TLIs offer a better way into racing.
That's my opinion and as I started this thread (with no idea it would spark debate), can I have the last word ....I doubt it
Leadshoes - I hadn't felt I was nullifying the race. Don't be too negative, you weren't there to see what went on and I felt I did my best. I judged the chap in question was full of enthusiasm (good man) but not much else. I think that was a good judgement because once the prime had gone he disappeared, think he got dropped (or perhaps packed in disgust). There is some validity in your criticism, however, if I felt he had no chance, why did I get on his wheel, suppose I was hedging my bets, if he could get a gap and having got that gap been able to work I suppose I'd have worked with him. Don't suppose I analysed things very carefully during the heat of the race and I'd set off with a notion that if the 1st group could stay together and work together we might stay away from the rest and I just could have a chance of getting some sort of placing. Up until reading your post, I'd have said that worked because although we got caught by another group I found myself reaching the final turn, feeling comfortable and well placed to contest the sprint. Having got there though I found my tactic totally wrong because I found out I don't have a sprint. I think after your posting if I race next year (not sure I'll be doing any cycling at all yet), if I'm able I shall go with and work with any attack no matter whether I think it's got any chance of doing anything or not. Who knows one might work, or I might blow up, so what, at least I'll have tried. Surely if I do this, no matter what, I'll come back to the next race stronger and so on.
Now the next bit, sorry Paul you're being talked about again. Hands up all of you that would say Muzzy has no ability.....don't see any hands there. Oh no it's the Paul Musgrave fan club again:- Paul has ability, considerably more than most of us, whether that's natural, gained through effective training or is through sheer bloody mindedness (I suspect a combination of all three) is irrelevant. The point I was making is that I can see how TLIs can be not the ideal thing for someone with Paul's ability. But for those of us more like me, no natural ability, ineffective training and with a weak mind TLIs offer a better way into racing.
That's my opinion and as I started this thread (with no idea it would spark debate), can I have the last word ....I doubt it
ive never done a road race (first year of tt's this year aand second of tri) and was wondering how i go about it? seems there are some other people thinking along the same lines that 'next year' will be the year. which clifton ride is the best for training for these and is it to late to try a race this year? - oh and how far/average speed are we talking per race?